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#1:  Aftermarket Ignition Module (Ignitech) Author: hansol Post Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:04 pm

Hey guys,

I know a lot of your guys are much more brilliant when it comes to ignition electronics than I am, so thought I would toss this out there and see what you guys come up with.

I'm looking at getting an Ignitech aftermarket ignition module for my xv500, and I'm trying to decipher the wiring setup for the Ignitech module. I have no idea what a "Servomotor" and all that jazz is, so figured I would post a picture of the setup, along with my "notes", and see if you guys can help me as to what on my Virago corresponds to the pins on the ignition unit

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/hansol04/ignitionunitwiring.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/hansol04/ignitionunitwiring2.jpg
Thanks very much for your help! Anything you guys come up with, even speculation, would help me out greatly haha.

*edit: added a second photo for clarification. Makes a bit more sense now but can't really figure out what pins 4,5,6,7...16,17,18 are?


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#2:   Author: Matthew Post Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:16 pm

It always come in 3s, got 2 threads kinda on it now ;)

The quick n easy way MSD wants us to do is drop around a grand total with everything. Boxes, coils, wiring.........

Other option may be available soon.

http://viragotechforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=185685#185685


http://viragotechforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=185760#185760

#3:  Re: Aftermarket Ignition Module Help Author: mekboy Post Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:22 pm

http://www.ignitech.cz/english/aindex.htm

That's the list of assembly manuals for the sparker TCI from Ignitech's website. The XV500 is listed so it appears someone has already sorted it. I'll take a closer look at it when I get home but from the looks of it you only have to worry about the wires listed in that manual, the rest are for other models with more bells and whistles.

The XV1000 appears to have been done as well, Ignitech looks like the best solution so far in my book.

#4:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:37 pm

Awesome, thanks mekboy. I found the manual list and figured out what is going on. Guess this will be marked as "Solved".

I'm also thinking I'm going to pull the trigger on this module, as a Christmas present to myself. I'll let everyone know how it goes. Cheers!


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#5:   Author: Matthew Post Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:46 pm

What are the coil specs on their TCI

Id say the programable CDI they got is what folks really need ;) If you like contorl over everything.

#6:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:51 pm

Haha I have no idea Matthew. I am horrible with this electronic ignition crap. I wish my virago just had a normal vacuum advance distributor like on a 66 oldsmobile or something haha. Will our bikes even run a CDI system?

I emailed Ignitech for the total price of their programmable TCI unit, as well as shipping costs to Canada. Once I get a quote back I will decide what I want to do.

#7:   Author: Matthew Post Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:41 am

MSD stuff is CDI.....

#8:  Re: Aftermarket Ignition Module Help (solved) Author: mekboy Post Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:59 am

Quote: Will our bikes even run a CDI system?


Not without changing the coils at the minimum. The more I learn, the less I think CDI is neccessary for an XV. For a street engine redlining at 7K TCI is just fine. And it looks like that ignitech module will talk to the stock sensors and coils. So why look for extra headaches?

The ignitech guys say you just have to tell them your model and they will tailor a module to the bike. Seems too good to be true to me, but even XV owners can catch a break once per decade. :grin:

#9:   Author: Matthew Post Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:07 am

Yea ya almost need a back to back dyno run to see if their programing is better or not, or the same.

Which could be worth the cost, if its better with solid proof. Import boxes of em cheap n be able to sell like crazy on the bay.

#10:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:58 pm

Hey guys,

Alright, I put in my order for Ignitech's "TCIP4 Programmable Sparker Unit". It cost about $240 CAD, so you Yanks should be getting it for closer to $200. There was a difference of about $12 between the non-programmable and the programmable unit, so I went with the programmable in order to be able to do fine tuning if necessary.

So far so good; the communication from the company has been excellent. Obviously there was a bit of a delay in receiving emails, but seeing as Ignitech is in the Czech Republic and in a completely and opposite timezone, I can't complain at all.

I will update the thread when ithe unit arrives. Cheers


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#11:   Author: mcarter-17 Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:06 pm

WOW, Hansol I think you nailed it. Please keep us informed. From three description and the FAQs thid has got to replace our worn out nonfunctional tci boxes. Gotta hear more on it.. Thanks Hans..

#12:   Author: Gerald Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:30 pm

Well, someone beat me to the punch. I will share, I got my TCIP-4 unit in. I am going to install it this week. The pigtail that they sent matches so it should be "plug and play" with a bit of mounting creativity as the unit does not come with any mount points. The software looks easy to use and comes with a file that has the factory points already programmed in. The one item that does not come with the unit is the wiring of the serial cable needed. There are a couple of different ways to configure. A quick email got the reply "straight through, 3-wires, 2-2 3-3 5-5" That is all I needed to know, I will send screen shots of software later this week.

~G

#13:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:41 pm

Good news Gerald! Great to hear somebody is trying one of these out for their Virago. I've seen the posts on the Ducatis and such, but never on a cruiser. I'll look forward to hearing your report, as I don't have much to go on considering I could never get my bike to run right...

Incidently, how long did it take for shipping to arrive from Czech Rep. to the US?

#14:   Author: totallyredvirago Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:13 pm

you guys are changing or adding a pigtail comp. are these comp's set up to use stock coils or do you have to change them also? ....dan

#15:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:56 pm

Dan,

From the bit of research I did, it looks like a guy can use stock everything: The TCIP4 is a "plug and play" type deal.

I guess if a guy uses CDI type stuff, then you have to get a different coil setup. Since this unit is still a TCI thingy, I am assuming the stock stuff will work fine.

I'm no rocket surgeon though, but from a few posts I've read on Ducatis, the gents just hooked it up and off they went. No mention of changing coils or anything that "intense".

#16:   Author: totallyredvirago Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:27 pm

thank you for your answer about the coils....dan

#17:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:01 pm

Just thought I'd update this quickly:

I received my Ignitech ignition unit today (04 Jan 2010). So shipping took from 17 Dec to 04 Jan. Not bad, especially considering the Christmas break and all.

I won't be able to give any opinions yet, as I'm in the process of trying to get the bike to start with the new carb setup, and that seems to be taking a bit longer than anticipated. Once that is dialed in and the gremlins worked out, I'll wire up the ignition unit and see how it compares to the stock one.

#18:  Re: Aftermarket Ignition Module (Ignitech) Author: TG920 Post Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:35 pm

Guys, I purchased a new ignition for my 920 from these folks in the Czech
republic. The cost was $200.00 USD which included shipping and everything. They accept Paypal or credit cards or bank drafts. It took 2 weeks for it to arrive. I went straight to the shop to test it out. I started the bike with the old TCI and let it run for a minute. Then I swapped in the new module(this was truly plug and play) . The bike started right up and ran great, at least in the shop. The unit is solidly built. completely enclosed in plastic. To mount it I gutted an old TCI by removing the insides bottom plate etc. I then siliconed the module into the metal TCI box. I also carved out the square grommet to protect the new wiring. It is ready to install back where the original was located. Wayyy Coooolll !!! couple of pics TG920.



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#19:   Author: anaman51 Post Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:19 pm

Please keep us updated on road performance, etc. If these are the plug and play replacement they are purported to be, they ought to sell like hotcakes.

Dan

#20:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:50 pm

I suppose I should throw my update in here too:

The module works awesome! It plugged in and worked right off the bat. I've spent the last little while tweaking the timing so it was "just right". The adjustments are easy, and the software is easy to work with too.

All in all it's a great unit, works really well, and I have yet to have any problems.

#21:   Author: 1986 XV700 Post Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:47 pm

What type of adjustments are available besides advance/retard timing? I know that's about all that is necessary but didn't know of multiple spark or spark duration might be an option.

#22:   Author: mikel Post Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:17 pm

totallyredvirago wrote (View Post): you guys are changing or adding a pigtail comp. are these comp's set up to use stock coils or do you have to change them also? ....dan


Hey Dan, what's a comp?

#23:   Author: hansol Post Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:27 am

Well, besides a fully configurable advance/retard curve, off the top of my head:

-where you want the rev limiter to kick it
-how many pulses per rev you want the tach wire to kick out (so you can make a 4cyl tach work on a 2 cyl bike)
-Program in a "shift" light
-how many revs the engine turns over before it sparks with regards to starting.

The manual is available online somewhere, and it lists all the programmable options in it.

Also, if you are wanting to program or adjust the timing and such, make sure you buy the unit that allows programming. Ignitech also offers a unit that is pre-programmed and won't allow you to re-program it with whatever specs work best for your bike.

#24:   Author: totallyredvirago Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:01 pm

i am going to keep this going.. i have too many questions to ask too many people.. sending e-mails and pm's to all i just get lost at what i want to ask...hansol.. you said that they will build a module (i am not using the TCI, CDI words yet) for my application?.. if so what all info did you have to give them? i will do all the e-mailing to them. but i want to be prepared for there questions. thanks.....dan

#25:   Author: rtrj Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:50 pm

hansol wrote (View Post): I suppose I should throw my update in here too:

The module works awesome! It plugged in and worked right off the bat. I've spent the last little while tweaking the timing so it was "just right". The adjustments are easy, and the software is easy to work with too.

All in all it's a great unit, works really well, and I have yet to have any problems.


I just ordered a basic unit for my 82 750 and I sent him these pictures
(See Attachment)

rtrj
Alstead, NH



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#26:   Author: totallyredvirago Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:09 pm

ok a answer... did you e-mail them or phone them? pic will not download on this comp. i will download on my home comp. then i will ask you some questions.. ok??....dan

all i need to do is ask someone some questions about this company. so if anybody dealt with them please speak up. i just need to know what all info they need.. do they need to know any ohms, voltage,amp readings? how many pick-ups we use. simple questions.. once i get the answers then i am going to open up this thread like no tomorrow :)

#27:   Author: rtrj Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:47 pm

totallyredvirago wrote (View Post):
ok a answer... did you e-mail them or phone them? pic will not download on this comp. i will download on my home comp. then i will ask you some questions.. ok??....dan

all i need to do is ask someone some questions about this company. so if anybody dealt with them please speak up. i just need to know what all info they need.. do they need to know any ohms, voltage,amp readings? how many pick-ups we use. simple questions.. once i get the answers then i am going to open up this thread like no tomorrow :)
I emailed them.If you can't open the pictures I'll find a way to send them to you, any way I can help.

rtrj

#28:   Author: rtrj Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:54 pm

rtrj wrote (View Post):
totallyredvirago wrote (View Post):
ok a answer... did you e-mail them or phone them? pic will not download on this comp. i will download on my home comp. then i will ask you some questions.. ok??....dan

all i need to do is ask someone some questions about this company. so if anybody dealt with them please speak up. i just need to know what all info they need.. do they need to know any ohms, voltage,amp readings? how many pick-ups we use. simple questions.. once i get the answers then i am going to open up this thread like no tomorrow :)
I emailed them.If you can't open the pictures I'll find a way to send them to you, any way I can help.

rtrj
I forgot, They are great to deal with, They make ignitions that are highly revered on the Ducati forums. These guys are pure pros. All they need is the model and
pictures of the connectors. If your bike has a metal igniter
(81-83) my connector pictures would be identical. I can email you my correspondence with them and you can see the process.

rtrj

#29:   Author: totallyredvirago Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:27 pm

yea the company sounds just what i have been looking for.. i do have the metal TCI but i converted it to a plastic one.. but thats not what i am after at this point..
how long did it take them to get back to you by e-mail ? what to thank you for helping.
your pics are a zip file. thats why i cant open them.
i have pics. of the connectors and the TCI (inside and out).. i will send you my pics (by pm) look them over and if they are good enough to use then thats what i will use.. dont want to hog up this thread with pics that may not be at value.....dan

#30:   Author: rtrj Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:04 pm

totallyredvirago wrote (View Post):
yea the company sounds just what i have been looking for.. i do have the metal TCI but i converted it to a plastic one.. but thats not what i am after at this point..
how long did it take them to get back to you by e-mail ? what to thank you for helping.
your pics are a zip file. thats why i cant open them.
i have pics. of the connectors and the TCI (inside and out).. i will send you my pics (by pm) look them over and if they are good enough to use then thats what i will use.. dont want to hog up this thread with pics that may not be at value.....dan
I wrote them on a Friday and they answered me on that following Monday. Thanks, I am glad to help.

rtrj

#31:   Author: Matthew Post Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:41 am

totallyredvirago wrote (View Post):

your pics are a zip file. thats why i cant open them.


The pics are "in" a zip file, windows came standard with a zip file program since WindowsME but it might need turned on.

Or go get winzip http://www.winzip.com/
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